DISCUSS  討論

SPEAK SYSTEMATICALLY on something, BASING oneself on INVESTIGATION AND REFLECTION.
TALK OVERTALK ABOUTTALK THROUGHCONVERSE ABOUTDEBATECONFER ABOUTDELIBERATE ABOUTCHEW OVERCONSIDERCONSIDER THE PROS AND CONS OFTHRASH OUTINFORMAL KICK AROUNDHASH OUTBAT AROUND
Hypernym
  • SPEAKACT so as to USE WORDS FOR SHOWING MEANING.*Speech by speaker X, directed towards audience Y, in order to communicate message Z.
    • ACTMOVE OR NOT MOVE CONFORMING to one's SELF:own DECIDE:decision.
      • MOVECHANGE PLACE OR SITUATION.
        • CHANGEEVENT involving two MOMENTS t1 and t2, such that a THING at the MOMENT t1 is DIFFERENT FROM that THING at the MOMENT t2....
See also
  • DIALOGUEMUTUAL ADDRESSING EXCHANGED between those who MUTUALLY LISTEN.
    • FIGHTCOMPETE with THINGS OR PERSONS so as to TRY TO DAMAGE OR DESTROY MUTUALLY:each-other.
      Hyponym
      • EXPLAIN DISCUSS so as to CAUSE something to BECOME MORE CLEAR.
        • COMPARE EXPLAIN HOW TWO OR MORE THINGS MUTUALLY RESEMBLE:are-similar OR are MUTUALLY DIFFERENT.
        • GLOSS EXPLAIN the MEANING of what is WRITTEN OR SAID.
        • PROVE EXPLAIN CLEARLY WHY a SENTENCE is TRUE.
        • SUMMARISE EXPLAIN COMPLETELY BUT SHORTLY, OMITTING NOT-IMPORTANT DETAILS.
        • SOLVE EXPLAIN a PROBLEM.
        • DESCRIBE EXPLAIN the SHAPE OR NATURE of something.
        • ANALYSE EXPLAIN something by SYSTEMATICALLY DISTINGUISHING its BASIC PARTS AND their FUNCTIONS.
        • TRANSLATE EXPLAIN USING A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.
        • JUSTIFY EXPLAIN WHY something is CORRECT OR GOOD.
        • DEFINE EXPLAIN OR FIX the MEANING of something.
        • ANALOGY EXPLANATION USING DETAILED COMPARISON.
        • INTERPRET EXPLAIN ONE'S UNDERSTANDING OF SOMETHING.
      • POLITICS LEGITIMATE CONCRETE PUBLIC DISCUSSION of DIFFERENT METHODS to GOVERN a DEFINITE STATE.
        Old Chinese Criteria
        1. The most current words for discussion are yì 議 "public (often formal) discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".

        2. Biàn 辯 refers to a rational subtle discussion and investigation.

        3. Zhēng 爭 refers to an eristic discussion or an altercation, and the word emphasises the intellectual conflict involved. See STRUGGLE.

        4. Jiǎng 講 refers to discussing something as an important subject and in a systematic manner.

        5. Tǎo 討 is to engage in a deep and thorough discussion and investigation of something.

        6. Píng 評 is a rare word that refers to discussion. (NB: this word enjoyed a renaissance and become more common in post-Buddhist times.)

        7.Tán 談 refers (often pejoratively) to an informal, perhaps even inconsequential, dialogue or or discourse on something. See DIALOGUE.

        Modern Chinese Criteria
        商量 is the most current general word for the discussion of differing views on a matter.

        討論 is the current modern word for discussion.

        議論 refers to public debate, typically of matters of political relevance.

        座談 refers to formal public debate on a certain subject, on a certain public occasion.

        審議 refers to detailed often public discussion leading to a definite conclusion.

        商討 focusses on the different opinions involved in discussion, typically on major matters of policy.

        探討 focusses on investigation as background to discussion.

        研討 refers to discussion based on study.

        議事 (lit, obs) focusses on the matters discussed as serious.

        會商 (lit) refers to a formal discussion with a view to reaching a decision.

        協商

        談判

        洽談

        rough draft to BEGIN TO identify synonym group members for analysis, based on CL etc. 18.11.2003. CH /

        • De Rerum Humanarum Emendatione ( COMENIUS 1665) p. 511

          DISPUTARE est de qvaestione ambigua in utramqve partem decertare, donec utro veritas praeponderet, pateat. Constat 1. ex qvaestione dubia.2. Argumentis in utramqve partem facientibus. 3. erumqve accurata collatione, a duobus earundem rerum peritis instituta. Ergo videndum 1. an sit vere dubium, et 2. quid proprie, et 3. inter qvos....

          Disputationis leges. 1. Quastio formetur. 2.Termini omnes definiantur. 3. Demum status controversiae recte formetur. 4 Demum affirmatnti incumbat probatio. 5 Neganti responsatio. 7.Affirmanti liqvidatio. 7. usquve dum non restet de quo ambigatur....

        • 韓非子同義詞研究 ( HANFEI TONGYI 2004) p. 211

        • Anthologia sive Florilegium rerum et materiarum selectarum ( LANGIUS 1631) p.

          DISPUTATIO

        • 論衡同義詞研究 ( LUNHENG TONGYI 2004) p. 61

        • Historisches Woerterbuch der Philosophie ( RITTER 1971-2007) p. 2.262

        • 王力古漢語字典 ( WANG LI 2000) p. 1281

          談,論

          1. WL takes the difference between ta2n 談 and lu4n 論 to be one of formality versus informality of discussion. In fact, lu4n 論 is not primarily dialogical in nature at all, and the word only refers to dialogue by a relatively rare extension. Ta2n 談, on the other hand, is by no means limited to dialogue, and the distinctive feature of the word is its predominant pejorative nuance "chatter".

        • 王力古漢語字典 ( WANG LI 2000) p. 1284

          議,論

          1. WL rightly points out that yi4 議 aims at some decision, whereas lu4n 論aims at a judgment. One may add that the main difference here is that yi4 議 refers to a formal discussion in council, whereas lu4n 論 refers to a disquisition quite generally.

        • Using Chinese Synonyms ( GRACE ZHANG 2010) p. 318

        • Chinese Synonyms Usage Dictionary ( TENG SHOU-HSIN 1996) p. 384

        • 跟我學同義詞 ( CAI SHAOWEI 2010) p. 80

        Words

          yì OC: ŋrals MC: ŋiɛ 42 AttributionsWD

        The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".

          Word relations
        • Object: 事/WORK Shì 事 (ant. xián 閒 "be at leisure") refers primarily to an official or regular working effort made on behalf of and in the service of an employer or a ruler.
        • Contrast: 論/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".
        • Contrast: 明/EXPLAIN Míng 明 is to throw intellectual light on something by any means, including illustration as well as historical explanation or definition.
        • Assoc: 論/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".
        • Assoc: 說/EXPLAIN The current general word for a discursive "analytical" explanation of something that is not sufficiently clear in itself is shuō 說.

          Syntactic words
        • nabactpublic argument; argumentative point of view; public dissent
        • nabactdiscussion of public affairs
        • vt prep Ndiscuss public affairs in relation to NCH
        • vt+V[0]discuss to, deliberate to
        • vt[oN]engage in public discussion, engage in disputation; express public dissent; make a remark; express one's opinion
        • vt[oN]discuss public affairsCH
        • vtoNopen a public discussion on; argue publicly about; discuss or bring up in a formal gathering; take up for discussion
        • vtoNmathematical termCHEMLA 2003:
        • vtoNpassivebe entered into serious public discussion or disputation with
          yán OC: ŋan MC: ŋi̯ɐn 31 AttributionsWD

          Word relations
        • Assoc: 談/DIALOGUE Tán 談 refers to informal chatter or unrespectable intellectual dialogue.
        • Assoc: 說/PERSUADE The current general words for persuasion are shuì 說 "persuade of a point of view or a course of action" versus quàn 勸 "persuade someone to engage in a certain course of action he or she was not originally planning to enage in".

          Syntactic words
        • nabactdiscussion, discourse; public discussion, public speech
        • nabpluralpublic statements
        • vt(oN)pronounce on/speak up on the contextually determinate NCH
        • vt[oN]engage in serious discussion (with someone), discuss things (with someone)
        • vtoNdiscuss the subject N (not: chat or converse about N)
        • vtoN1.postvt(oN2)engage in serious conversation or discussion
        • vtoN1.postvt(oN2)passivediscuss (a subject matter) with (someone)
        • vtoNmiddle voicebe a partner in an exchange of views (rather than informal conversation)
          lùn OC: ɡ-ruuns MC: luo̝n 30 AttributionsWD

        The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".

          Word relations
        • Contrast: 議/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".
        • Assoc: 議/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".
        • Assoc: 講/DISCUSS 4444Jiǎng 講 refers to discussing something as an important subject and in a systematic manner. 4444Jiǎng 講 refers to discussing something as an important subject and in a systematic manner.
        • Assoc: 辯/DISCUSS Biàn 辯 refers to a rational subtle discussion and investigation

          Syntactic words
        • nabactdiscussions; theories; views
        • nabderiveddiscourse; argumentCH
        • vt[oN]be involved in discussion
        • vtoNsort out and discuss, often in writing; argue; account for, give an account of; demonstrate
        • vtoNpassivebe expounded, laid out and discussed
          biàn OC: brenʔ MC: biɛn 17 AttributionsWD

        Biàn 辯 refers to a rational subtle discussion and investigation

          Word relations
        • Ant: 行/ACT The current general word for any deliberate action one may be held morally and/or administratively responsible for is xíng 行 (ant. zhǐ 止 "decide not to take action"). The nominal entries have the old reading xìng. [COMMENDATORY!], [GENERAL], [HABITUAL], [RESPONSIBLE]
        • Object: 好/LOVE
        • Assoc: 爭/DISAGREE Zhēng 爭 (ant. dìng 定 "confirm and not contest") refers to contending a conflicting point of view in a combative intellectual or rhetorical way.
        • Assoc: 論/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".

          Syntactic words
        • nabactdisputation; cavilling argumentation
        • vadNfull of sophistry, inanely argumentative
        • viactengage in an intellectual dispute, make subtle distinctions; engage in rhetoric
        • vt(oN)discuss the contextually determinate NLZ
        • vt+prep+Ndiscuss a topic N in a discriminating wayTWH
        • vt2[oN]discuss things with somebodyDS
        • vtoNdiscuss with 勿與辯
          zhēng OC: skreeŋ MC: ʈʂɣɛŋ 6 AttributionsWD

        Zhēng 爭 refers to an eristic discussion or an altercation, and the word emphasises the intellectual conflict involved. See STRUGGLE.

          Syntactic words
        • vt[oN]engage in discussion
        • vtoNenter a debate about, enter a competitive argument about; be in dispute about; take issue with; quarrel about
        • vttoN1.+N2discuss N1 before a person N2
        辯者  biàn zhě MC: bjenX tsyaeX OC: brenʔ kljaʔLZ 5 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • NPabdisputation, argumentationLZ
        論議  lùn yì OC: ɡ-ruuns ŋrals MC: luo̝n ŋiɛ 4 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • NPabactpublic discussions
        • VPt[oN]discuss things publicly
        • VPtoNdiscuss publicly
          biàn MC: bjenX OC: brenʔCH 4 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • nabactdisquisitionCH
        • vtoN=辯discuss, typically on the basis of logical/sophistic/rhetorically well-formed argumentsLZ
          jiǎng OC: krooŋʔ MC: kɣɔŋ 3 AttributionsWD

        4444Jiǎng 講 refers to discussing something as an important subject and in a systematic manner. 4444Jiǎng 講 refers to discussing something as an important subject and in a systematic manner.

          Word relations
        • Contrast: 說/EXPLAIN The current general word for a discursive "analytical" explanation of something that is not sufficiently clear in itself is shuō 說.
        • Assoc: 習/STUDY
        • Assoc: 論/DISCUSS The current words for discussion are yì 議 "public discussion", and lùn 論 "discursive discourse; written summary discussion with a conclusion".
        • Relat: 學/STUDY The dominant word is xué 學 (ant. jiào 教 "train teach")which refers primarily to studying or training under another person, and secondarily to the learning by heart texts. Very often, the word retains a tinge of immitation.

          Syntactic words
        • vt[oN]engage in discussionsBUDDH: preach
        • vtoNdiscuss and study (something) as an important matter; take seriously; lecture onBUDDH: preach on
        小辯  xiǎo biàn MC: sjewX bjenX OC: smewʔ brenʔLZ 2 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPiengage in discussions (even) of minor detailsLZ
          tǎo OC: thuuʔ MC: thɑu 1 AttributionWD

        Tǎo 討 is to engage in a deep and thorough discussion and investigation of something.

          Word relations
        • Contrast: 慮/PLAN Lǜ 慮 refers to a careful personal planning effort based on serious reflection.

          Syntactic words
        • vtoNLY: enter into a deep discussion of, mostly orally
          zhèng OC: skreeŋs MC: ʈʂɣɛŋ 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • nabactengaging in competitive debates
        爭論  zhēng lùn OC: skreeŋ ɡ-ruuns MC: ʈʂɣɛŋ luo̝n 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPiactenage in formal debate
        討論  tǎo lùn OC: thuuʔ ɡ-ruuns MC: thɑu luo̝n 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPtoNcomment on, give one's appraisal of
        談論  tán lùn OC: ɡ-laam ɡ-ruuns MC: dɑm luo̝n 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • NPabactdiscourse
        • VPiactdiscuss matters
        講論  jiǎng lùn OC: krooŋʔ ɡ-ruuns MC: kɣɔŋ luo̝n 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPiactengage in discussions, discuss
        言議  yán yì MC: ngjon ngjeH OC: ŋan ŋralsLZ 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • NPabpublic argumentLZ
        悟言  wù yán MC: nguH ngjon OC: ŋaas ŋanDS 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPt[oN]discuss things DS
        調議  tiáo yì MC: dew ngjeH OC: dɯɯw ŋralsLZ 1 AttributionWD
          Syntactic words
        • vt[oN]to engage in a harmonious discussion of public affairsLZ
          pǐn OC: phrɯmʔ MC: phim 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • vtoNstativeappreciate
          shāng OC: qhjaŋ MC: ɕi̯ɐŋ 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • vimathematical termCHEMLA 2003:
          píng OC: breŋ MC: bɣaŋ 0 AttributionsWD

        Píng 評 is a rare word that refers to discussion. (NB: this word enjoyed a renaissance and become more common in post-Buddhist times.)

          Syntactic words
        • vtoNshangjunshu: assess and discuss orally or in writing
        平畫  píng huò OC: breŋ ɢʷreeɡ MC: bɣaŋ ɦɣɛk 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPiactdiscuss strategy
        評詳  píng xiáng OC: breŋ sɢlaŋ MC: bɣaŋ zi̯ɐŋ 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPt(oN)discuss and advise in detail on a contextually determinate matter
        論及  lùn jí OC: ɡ-ruuns ɡrɯb MC: luo̝n gip 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPtoNresultativetouch upon in one's discussions; come to discuss; come to talk about
        論說  lún shuō OC: ɡ-run lʰod MC: lʷin ɕiɛt 0 AttributionsWD
          Syntactic words
        • VPtoNdiscuss; argue about

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